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#1 User is offline   ducktape 

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 01:44 PM

i have a few questions about ballasts:

1. is it any better/safer to use an electronic ballast rather than a coil and core?

2. who, besides lumenlab, carries ballasts? do any retail hardware stores carry them, or must they be purchased online?

3. if i do use an electronic ballast, is there any need to have an aluminum flashing?

and finally...

4. can i use any 400w metal halide bulb with any other 400w metal halide ballast? i saw a bulb that said it could only be used with an ANSI M59 ballast, and wasn't sure what that meant... :unsure:


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Posted 16 September 2005 - 03:08 PM

1) I would say from a safety standpoint the eballast is "safer" (two wires in, two wires out... and a ground), but specifically there is no capacitor to deal with wiring. (cap's can kill if handled improperly). "Better" ? .... that opens up a large can of worms... better to give you some general details and decide for yourself which one is "better" ... the eballast is ligher, more effcient (by efficent I mean it uses less electricity for the same lamp that a coil and core will use), simple to wire, more expensize, and produces better lamp life (supposedly) than coil and core. Coil and core is less expensive, more rugged and reliable, heavy, and requires more parts and wiring than an eballast. Coil and core's are ok to mount inside the box when cooled properly, eballast are not recommended to be mounted inside a box. I think that hits most of the highlights, so it's up to you to decide. This is a somewhat touchy topic at the moment, so i'm sure others will chime in here with "eballasts are the greatest" and others with "eballasts suck". I'm not in either camp on this one, I only suggest that you look at the facts and determine what is best for you.

2) most retailers will not carry these types of ballasts as these lamps are used mostly for commercial buildings, parking lots, anywhere lots of cheap light are required. best bet would be to find a electrical supply "depot" of sorts that deals with contracters, and also sells retail. I think most stick to the internet as there are better deals.

3) if you decide to use an eballast, I would suggest the following:

a. mount it externally or in the front part of your PJ (i.e. away from the lamp)
b. mount it horizontal (only a guess on my part, but perhaps some of the trouble with peoples eballasts are that they mount them vertically and the internal components don't cool properly)
c. provide some small amount of cooling over the heat sink fins to provide additional cooling over simple convection. (i use a simple CPU fan from an old pentium chip, ya know, the really small ones used about 5 years ago.)
d. be sure to wire both input and output with brown as hot, blue as neutral. (others will say input doesn't matter, but that statement doesn't matter, it should be wired as per electrical codes [read: "proper way"] with brown as hot, blue as neutral; period; you will never go wrong this way)

... aluminum flashing has more to do with protecting the wood/components from the heat of the lamp, whether you decide on an eballast or coil-n-core. some use high temp paint rather than flashing to protect the wood, but most all use flashing of some sort to protect electrical devices and wiring from getting too hot due to direct exposure to the lamp.

4) MH bulbs and ballast, each have their own wattage and ANSI rating. (examples are M155, M59, etc..) In the case of the Ushio S400DD, it has a rating of S51. It is a simple matter of making sure that the ANSI rating of your lamp (and wattage), matches the ANSI rating (and wattage) of your ballast. This applies to using coil-n-core ballasts. When using the LL eballast, it will work with all MH lamps rated for 400W, and the Ushio S400DD. I don't know about other eballasts ??
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 06:12 PM

GadgetSmith, on Sep 16 2005, 04:08 PM, said:

4) MH bulbs and ballast, each have their own wattage and ANSI rating. (examples are M155, M59, etc..)  In the case of the Ushio S400DD, it has a rating of S51.  It is a simple matter of making sure that the ANSI rating of your lamp (and wattage), matches the ANSI rating (and wattage) of your ballast.  This applies to using coil-n-core ballasts.  When using the LL eballast, it will work with all MH lamps rated for 400W, and the Ushio S400DD.  I don't know about other eballasts ??


well, sorry my view point but it really is what i think (actually it is a hot thread about the e-ballast);

If the e-ballast works with 400W metal halide lamps, as well as S400DD so it should work with 400W HPS, so why not, it works as well with 400W alogen lamps... mmm, i think I can plug my 400W microwave to the e-ballast as well ;D

take it as humorous as i do please, I donīt want nobody to feel offended.

Now a bit of seriosity; I believe the S400DD does "turn on" on a M59 Metal Halide ballast. What i mean is, is it correct this setup?
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:10 PM

Rox, on Sep 16 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

Now a bit of seriosity; I believe the S400DD does "turn on" on a M59 Metal Halide ballast. What i mean is, is it correct this setup?


No. The S400DD requires a S51 HPS ballast.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:15 PM

Bingo!!!


but i bet you whatever you want that it powers on (mean: makes light) with the M59.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:18 PM

Rox, on Sep 16 2005, 02:15 PM, said:

Bingo!!!


but i bet you whatever you want that it powers on (mean: makes light) with the M59.


What does that prove? It still doesn't mean that it is the correct ballast.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:22 PM

it would prove that "turning on a lamp" does not mean it is a neccesarily a propper setup. (ie e-ballast + ushio, but i am not so shure about it yet, sorry about this :()
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:24 PM

gentlemen, please see the following post concerning the discussion about the LL eballast. I don't think we want to continue making every thread a discussion about the ability of the LL eballast to run the Ushio S400DD lamp.

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:26 PM

thanks
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:26 PM

When you decide to buy the ballast and bulb wherever you buy it they should be able to help you match up the ballast with the bulb. Some websites even show which ballast goes with each bulb. Once you decide on the bulb post it and someone will point you in the right direction.
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Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:28 PM

Rox, on Sep 16 2005, 02:22 PM, said:

it would prove that "turning on a lamp" does not mean it is a neccesarily a propper setup. (ie e-ballast + ushio, but i am not so shure about it yet, sorry about this :()


No prob Rox. :D Just didn't want to get into a big theory discussion and not answer ducktapes original questions.
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